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 Post subject: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:53 am 
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...I know that skeptics consider his ideas pseudo-history and criticize his research, but I am finding with some exceptions that his theory makes some sense to me.

For those who are not familiar he claims that ancient Sumerian tablets, cylinder seals and various other documents show that homo erectus was genetically manipulated by aliens to give rise to homo sapiens. He says that roughly 400k years ago "the gods" known as the "annunaki" (meaning "those who from heaven to earth came") came to earth in search of precious minerals, gold, silver, precious stones, etc, but mostly gold.

They did their own mining at first, but then they required that someone else do the work for them. So they mixed their own genes with that of homo erectus to create "the Adamu". The prototype human was named "Adapa". sounds familiar, doesn't it? At first the Adamu could not procreate, like mules, but then their creator, the "god" Enki, whose name is also Ea (pronounced "Yah") went against the chief "god" Enlil and gave man the ability to procreate. Enki's symbol is the serpent... sound familiar?

Anyway this made Enlil very mad and Enlil expelled the Adamu (male and female) from the place called E.DIN... Sound familar?


I could go on and on because this is all covered in over six volumes and I am only on number one, called "The 12th Planet".

But all of this has shed new light on the bible and ancient religions and cultures. Basically he also shows how Yahweh is just a mixture of the ancient Sumerian gods (mostly combining Enlil and Enki) into one monotheistic deity.

I recommend it because even if you think it is junk history it still makes good science fiction.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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Did he write Stargate SG-1???

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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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Jedi, I've been fascinated by some of the "ancient astronauts" theories for some time. It definitely puts a different "spin" on holy texts and also helps to explain ancient architectural phenomena.

I'll have to check this guy out (I haven't read his stuff).

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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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He is quite good and refers to ancient writings extensively. I read "Genesis revisited" first but really I should have started with the 12th planet. Genesis revisited gives sort of an over view of his ideas and he ties it in to Genesis showing how the Hebrews were following the earlier Sumerian stories.

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My guess is that the Stargate people were to some degree inspired by Sitchin. He started writing about this stuff in the 70s.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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Jedi, I haven't read this book so this question might be answered in it. How does Sitchin's theories tie in with other creation legends around the world?

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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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hetheret wrote:
Jedi, I haven't read this book so this question might be answered in it. How does Sitchin's theories tie in with other creation legends around the world?


and what does he say became of those "ancient astronauts?"

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SG-1 had to kill most of them.....a lot of them were bad guys.

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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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hetheret wrote:
Jedi, I haven't read this book so this question might be answered in it. How does Sitchin's theories tie in with other creation legends around the world?
He does a pretty good job of tracing how the Greek, Canaanite, Hittite, Babylonian, Greek, and Egyptian, Mythologies all originated in Summer. He especially traced the Greek pantheon. As for the creation myths, he goes in to that too. Basically, the ancient "gods" were really the Annunaki (those who from heaven to earth came).

Macfan,
I haven't gotten to the part about where the Annunaki went, but my first guess is that they returned to Nibiru, the 12th planet in our solar system, 11th if you exclude Pluto. The Sumerians counted the moon as a planet. The 12th Planet is called Planet X by the scientists who are searching for it. They know that our solar system has another member because of the perturbations of the outer planets' orbits. This is the Planet of the Annunaki according to Sitchin.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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SG-1 had to kill most of them.....a lot of them were bad guys.

Pax!
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Freeking Goa'uld.......snakes in the belly, snakes in the brain.....too creepy. Glad we killed them off......although I hear Ba'al makes a comeback in the latest movie.

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They did wear attire which clearly influenced the clothing styles of the Egyptians and changed earth culture forever.

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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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Jedi said in part: "the Adamu". The prototype human was named "Adapa". sounds familiar, doesn't it?" It only sounds familiar if those ancient astronauts spoke English.

This all sounds like a new age version of the "Late Great Planet Earth". Remember when Hal Lindsey said Gomer was modern Germany referring to Israel's enemies in the final battle? He said it was Germany because Gomer was a similar sounding word... It only works if you only know English and assume all the ancient people also spoke English.

I am sorry. I have seen so many of these supposedly "ancient" ideas that simply change paint jobs and are recycled for our amusement.

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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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Jedi Mind Trick wrote:
hetheret wrote:
Jedi, I haven't read this book so this question might be answered in it. How does Sitchin's theories tie in with other creation legends around the world?
He does a pretty good job of tracing how the Greek, Canaanite, Hittite, Babylonian, Greek, and Egyptian, Mythologies all originated in Summer. He especially traced the Greek pantheon. As for the creation myths, he goes in to that too. Basically, the ancient "gods" were really the Annunaki (those who from heaven to earth came).

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Yes, but they are all in the same area. What about the creation stories of Native Americans, Norse, China etc?

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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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I don't know about them.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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One thing I am also exploring with regard to the paranormal in general and UFOs and aliens in particular is a theory that is being discussed on the Infidels board by an interesting poster called "Student of Sophia". I very much enjoy his(?) threads. Anyway, he (for the sake of discussion I'll assume SoS is a he) he says that all of this paranormal activity are merely manifestations of the collective unconscious. That is, our collective thoughts, dreams (nightmares), etc coalesce into sometimes quasi-physical manifestations. He quotes a number of people, including Jung and relies on historical and contemporary data noting the congruences between UFOs, abductions, demon possession, faerie lore, mystical/religious experiences, shamanism, poltergeists and other paranormal activity.

I like the discussion there and the ideas presented seem to make sense to me also. But how does this account for the Sumerian interpretations of A. Sitchin?

It could be that the old gods were manifestations of the collective unconscious as well and so were every god from Yahweh to Mazdah to Zeus to Siva... well, you get the idea. This also lends itself to a more Buddhist understanding of consciousness.

Anyway, I can't discuss this aspect in any detail as I am just learning about this angle on the paranormal/spiritual.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading Zecharia Sitchin...
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I have read some of Sitchin's work, and a good summary and synopsis of his theories can be found in "The Ancient secret of the flower of life" by Drunvalo Melchizedek.

It is just as reasonable as any other theory of creation, and more believable than God created the world in 6 days about 6000 years ago..........


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